Our recent post reveals a few things we believe are simply misunderstandings:
Now, replace the terms 'invertebrate' for 'dinosaur' and 'vertebrate' for 'bird'.
To say dinosaurs are amniotes is like saying invertebrates are animals. Both true but neither telling us what dinosaurs actually are (lots of thing are amniotes). Are dinosaurs monophyletic? Are inverterbrates monophyletic?
- 1) Paraphyletic groups and their reality
- 2) Taxa descending from other taxa
- 3) Phylocode adjustements to make taxa monophyletic.
- "An invertebrate is an animal without a backbone. The group includes 95% of all animal species - all animals except those in the Chordate subphylum Vertebrata..."
Now, replace the terms 'invertebrate' for 'dinosaur' and 'vertebrate' for 'bird'.
To say dinosaurs are amniotes is like saying invertebrates are animals. Both true but neither telling us what dinosaurs actually are (lots of thing are amniotes). Are dinosaurs monophyletic? Are inverterbrates monophyletic?
1 comment:
"Now, replace the terms 'invertebrate' for 'dinosaur' and 'vertebrate' for 'bird'."
Unfortunately, what your vertebrate/invertebrate scheme is analogous to is not bird/dinosaur but bird/non-avian dinosaur or human/non-human ape. Bird/dinosaur is really no more bothersome than titanosaur/dinosaur. These aren't confusing if you keep your contexts straight, and any words are confusing if you don't, because words, at least those that don't exist solely within some one particular jargon, have multiple meanings.
"To say dinosaurs are amniotes is like saying invertebrates are animals. Both true but neither telling us what dinosaurs actually are (lots of thing are amniotes)."
Here you are confusing description and definition. 'Dinosaurs are amniotes' is descriptive of dinosaurs (like 'dinosaurs can be seen with the naked eye') but not definitional. Some descriptions may be sufficiently precise as to be definitions for things like groups of animals, but that's not usually the case. As long as you grasp the context, that one is describing not defining, I don't see a real problem, or at least not one that is beyond what plagues any naturally developing language.
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